This way it wont hurt you as much when the bear shoves it where the sun dont shine. And sometimes folks can save themselves with a handgun. here is one of the links I had bookmarked; http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm . But I do know this. Redding Reloading Equipment has added a New 3-Die Set for the 300 HAMRa bottleneck cartridge based on a modified .223 Remington case necked up to 30-caliber. Thats a cool chest rig. In 1984, Winchester began to produce rifles chambered for cartridge, legitimizing Waters dream, and establishing it as a commercial cartridge. What is the title of Craig Boddingtons book? Assumption. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. Any dolls at all? The 44 magnum is almost unspeakably more powerful than the 22 rimfire, so of course it will kill a bear. akgunners command of language, his clarity of thought, and his thinking were just superb today. You cant speak of the pros without also talking about the cons in any situation. Backpack straps and holstered guns dont get along well. So yes, I did do my homework before opening my big mouth. I scanned the far shore to see if it was a nice one, maybe I would take it, I didnt see it, so I asked him where? It was used 12 times. He or she could have one of the following, a 44 or larger with at least 300 grain flat nose, or a 12 guage shorty with 00 buck or a Brennicke slug. Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attack Demonstrates Effectiveness of .44 Magnum, How to Horrify the Mainstream Media in One Easy Step, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140415-black-bear-florida-attack-habitat-wildlife-conservation/, http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm, https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c430-310-rf.html. When grizzlies threaten, North Country sportmen pick up long guns, not revolvers. A JSP bullet at a velocity that will completely penetrate the chest of an average-size bear is probably a better choice than a hardcast SWC solid. A 240-grain +P Buffalo Bore projectile carries roughly 1,600 ft.-lbs. And to the the post of a guy shot many times with a 9mm, you are correct sir. I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. Aim for the center of mass whenever possible in order to ensure a quick and clean kill. Wheres your manning-up and saying you were wrong, Hank? To my surprise, the buckle was actually a snap and the strap peeled away. from the muzzle. As with anything, the devil is in the details. . . 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. Im comfortable carrying the .38, with better bullets, where I hunt. And as I said at the git-go, a hell of a lot of hunters have been mauled by grizzlies after they shot them. While some may consider it the minimum, its plenty powerful enough to stop an onerous bear. Wont take too long until you go viral. Ruger just took a Super Redhawk and cut the barrel even with the frame extension. Ive clearly enraged you to the point where your more of a danger to yourself and others. Thankfully he decided to scale the cliff because it was a good 20 seconds or more before I could undo the straps to my rifle and get it pointed in his direction. Its also been incredibly popular among Alaskan hunters and guides, especially in lever-actions like Marlins 1895 Guide Gun, which is compact, fairly lightweight and highly maneuverable in close quarters. As I pulled the revolver out, a sudden calm came over me, and I knew everything would be fine. You might have learned that if you didnt try to snub total strangers over the internet and instead tried to speak as intelligently as the author just did when he disputed my claims just now. My uncle Dale dropped a charging sow with a neck shot at the same distance with a s&w 629. When I wrote, But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?, it was a statement about black bears. Even in the flawed study Efficacy of firearms for bear deterrence in Alaska the researchers only found 269 attacks in Alaska. Looking at delivered energy gives us a better idea of how the 44 magnum stacks up against other popular handgun cartridges suitable for bear defense. That was when I pointed the revolver and fired at center mass. Overall, the 44 magnum revolvers are lighter weight than the larger caliber handguns. Interesting study. 1. Buffalo Bore produces several loads for the .50 Alaskan, including a 450-grain bullet that delivers a whopping 4,400 ft.-lbs. Will a 44 Magnum stop a grizzly bear? We have to do better. Its chambered in nearly every major manufacturers rifle and has a plethora of ammunition choices as well. At anytime I can simply reach forward, undo the straps, grab my rifle and Im good to go, or so I thought. Thorofare Country south of Yellowstone, Grizzly at 10 feet, .44 magnum and .357 magnum, September, 2013 (report from 2015) Then at about 2:45 p.m., a collared boar grizzly identified as bear No . I am not sure I can perform this feat with a 450 Casull or a .460 S&W. Go outside and smoke a cigarette or something. of energy, while the 10mm has about 728 ft.-lbs., both with a 180-grain Buffalo Bore bullet. Far more important, in my book, is the ability to draw and accurately fire your bear defense weapon in a very short period of time. He never said pistols were 100% effective. The period of time for their data set was from 1883 to 2009. Now that you mention it, my wife was the one that told me Right after asking if the life insurance was up to date, It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear.. HUMANS AND PIT BULLS ONLY THING HAVE HAD TO SHOOT TO DEFEND MY SELF AND NO DESIRE TO TEST THE .44 AGAINST BEARS OR SUCH BUT FEEL THEY WILL GIVE ME THE BEST CHANCE AND I AGREE ON BEST AMMO FOR JOB. When it comes to recognizing and responding to a bear attack, few people have as much experience as Alaskas Steve Nelson, a former research geologist for the U.S. Geological Survey whos spent the last 41 years teaching bear defense courses in the Last Frontier. Even the very biggest brown bears are 1,500 pounds. Since hes a doc, his wifes a doc and their hunting buddies are all doctors and/or veterinarians Im just going to assume they know what theyre on about. GO FIGURE. Ticks. .. Im kidding, of course! I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. The first time a strong cross wind completely redirected the spray 90degrees to the side. Wow dude, for real? Great choice. He had a long explanation for why this happens, which I boiled down to two sentences above. They should be able to provide you with detailed advice and recommendations based on the specific area in which you live. of energy, and it takes a big grizzly to weigh 1,000 pounds. of energy. Big credit to the guy finding his calm in that situation; it allowed him to place a well aimed shot . WTF is your .44 doing up in a tree without your butt still attached to it? Unless its dead calm, you better be sure you know what direction the wind is blowing. .. Do your own research, calculate the very physics/ ballistics the Taylor Knock Down Factor. (Its the one with the 18:26 time-stamp). Yes, a 44 Magnum is capable of killing a bear, although it is not recommended as a bear defense arms. During the 10mm vs .44 Mag. Some others are .50 Desert Eagle, .454 Casull, .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum and the .480 Ruger. The second and third time I used bear spray was against overly aggressive dogs. The 44 Magnum is a powerful handgun, but it is not powerful enough to guarantee a one-shot kill on a bear. Generally speaking, though, most 44 Magnum rounds should be able to stop a black bear or grizzly in its tracks. Ive personally gotten black bears to leave my campsites dozens of times just by raising my voice a little, and (when with others) Ive literally run them off dozens of other times. Let's look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. If I was in Bear country , cutting up a bloody Moose , I would have had my own defensive weapon with me first , in my case its my Red Hawk .454 Casul and if I had for some reason forgot to bring it , you can bet I would have already learned all the whats and what nots of my partners gun , like how to remove it from its holster . Dean Weingarten is a fear salesman, and not just in this article, but most of his others. LAST TIME CALLED BUFFALO BORE GOT THE OWNER AND MUCH TALK AND HELP ON CARBINE AND PISTOL ROUNDS NEEDED FOR A SITUATION SINCE I AM ARMED ESCORT FOR LIVING. The 44 Magnum offers several advantages over the bigger calibers especially if you pick the right firearm. I know a guy who emptied his 9mm into a Black Bearkilled it well enough. Yes you do want a magnum. We have a winner! SEE IT. .45-70 Government (405gr SP at 1,330fps)(1,590 ft lbs): 35.2 I mention this one because of its immense stopping power at extremely close distances. They have been documented stalking humans, attacking without provocation, eating humans they killed and more. 10 BEST PADDLE BOARD AND KAYAK COMBOS 2023 WITH BUYING GUIDE, Grizzly 300 Grain Cast lead bullet wide flat nose, Buffalo Bore 300-grain hard cast flat nose bullet, Buffalo Bore 300 grain jacketed flat nose. I was born and raised there. grizzly charging at 30 mph, but the .44 magnum or better it will require is going to give you exactly one chance in 2.5 seconds to hit that bear precisely in the heart or brain. CRIME AND WILD ANIMALS LIKE WHEEL OF FORTUNE SPIN, NEVER KNOW WHEN IT WILL STOP ON YOUR NUMBER. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?. Please dont take out your rage on your wife or kids tonight. test, none of us were looking forward to running the S&W 329 PD with the Hornady 240-grain JHP loads I had brought along. Someone who hates you. This is really what the .44 mag was designed for. It is loaded with the best bear ammo that their internet research recommends. The 10mm is also coming into popularity because of capacity. Two questions: WHEN FURTHER A FIELD ALSO CARRY MARLIN SS 1895 LEVER WITH BUFFALO BORE RECOMMENDED ROUND IN 45-70. This stopped many tigers that had attacked the hunters riding atop elephants in India! Depends on what type of bear. Great story. The biggest thing you can do to protect yourself from bears (at least in Alaska) is to respect them, their home, and their food source. Weight X Velocity X Diameter /7000 = TKOF I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! These things WILL hurt you and & then kill you: As Nelson has seen in bear defense training, many shooters have cycling issues with the 10mm due to the limp-wrist syndrome, something that isnt an issue with a revolver and is the last thing you want to happen during a bear charge. Your alcohol. However, as far as stopping power on even the largest grizzly bear, it delivers enough energy to get the job done. What did work was the short barrel shotgun. Scotty reminds me of an autistic. If only those murderous hunters had been carrying bear spray, that poor bear would still be alive. the rifles were left outside the tents, but inside the protective alarm wire. 44 mag ammo for bear can be a life-saving tool, but only if it is used correctly. Ive also bothered to read Weingartens stuff for years. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!! Im pretty sure, he would say, the gun is only as good as the person handling it. Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. The major reason is that they dont want to waste expensive ammo on the range. In conclusion, using a cartridge such as the .44 Magnum is recommended when hunting black bear in order to ensure a quick and humane kill. Always remember to check local regulations regarding firearms when traveling in bear country. The 44 magnum does deliver less energy on target than the other calibers in our comparison tables. .30-06 and.300 Win were the results. I dont even know if Hank The Anonymous was insulting me, or how, or about what, because Hank cannot use words. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 Heard that from a park ranger or game warden, no doubt. Center Mass hits can disrupt the circulatory system, but science has proven that enough blood remains in a humans system that they can continue to act for up to about 10 seconds. Well thought-out, well-researched, and well-said. Hundreds of bear attacks? . Modern bears remained top predators thanks to evolution weeding out the bears that dropped faster due to serious injury. Popular among Alaskan guides and hunters, the .375 is capable of launching a 270-grain bullet at 4,300 ft.-lbs. With red powder coating the loaded cartridges look like little lipsticks. Yet the .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum handgun produces 2,254 ft.-lbs. Smith & Wesson Model 629. I dont have any particular issue with what youve said so far, but you must understand that by refusing to give any actual citation of your sources you are undermining your own argument. Do not go into bear country without a firearm; preferably a 12-gauge shotgun w/ slugs and/or 00 buckshot, a lever-action .45-70, a .44 magnum revolver, a 10mm semiautomatic with full-power ammo, an AK-47, and an AR-10 are all decent options. While some may consider it the minimum, it's plenty powerful enough to stop an onerous bear. (Another was uncovered after I wrote the last article.) I wonder what Larry Kelly would have to say about the negative talk here about the Magnaport Stalker handguns that his company builtand he took to Alaska and the African continent to do his testing with it way back in the late 70s or 80s. The hunters violated the most basic safety rule when cleaning game to pack out. Id like to see Boddingtons sources for hundreds of attacks. That same bullet in a .357 Magnum exits a four-inch barrel upwards of 1,400 fps. That sentence wasnt even English. In the event that I need to get off a second shot at a charging grizzly bear, I want a pistol I can handle comfortably, re-acquire a sight picture, and get off an accurate shot in the quickest possible time. Human beings in the woods. A 12-gauge shotgun and slug will deliver impressive energy and is effective to moderate ranges. For general backpacking in grizzly country, MeatEater Founder Steven Rinella has carried both bear spray and a .44 Magnum revolver. Hes read some books so hes an expert. Contrary to Gun Writer Myth and continuing bullshit about the Philippine Insurrection (polite world for jack booted storm trooper war of rape, pillage and conquest) Jan Liborel found that there was absolutely nothing in the U.S. Military records that indicated the .38 Colts were any less effective than the later used 45 long Colt and little used .45 acp handguns used in the conflict. Based on the .375 H&H, the .338 will send a 300-grain Barnes bullet out the barrel at 2500 fps with a devastating 4,100 ft.-lbs. I am looking forward to seeing them. A clean kill is the best way to avoid having to track a wounded bear. A 9, 38, or 45 isnt an adequate round for something as large as a bear, with think hide, fur and muscles. Considered by many to be the most versatile North American big-game cartridge, the .338 Win. I spray with mine regularly, even though I have to buy a lot more of it, both for practice and for making sure its as potent as can be. CALLED BUFFALO BOAR AND USING ONE OF ROUNDS THEY RECOMMENDED FOR MY SITUATION AND BEARS. So be sure to keep an eye on the animal until it is definitely dead. These are all factors that need to be considered when choosing a caliber for a serious and serviceable bear defense firearm. A 5" S&W 629 .44 Magnum revolver being fired with full power ammo at the point of maximum recoil. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum - completely in the vein of Dirty Harry - still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. A bear spray salesman. Remember that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet you still need to know how to use it effectively, Make yourself as big and loud as possible; shout and clap your hands, Try to scare the bear away by throwing objects at it or spraying it with pepper spray, If those things dont work, use your firearm to shoot the bear in the most vital areas: its head, chest or neck, The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield, A well placed shot from a .44 Magnum will penetrate both shoulders of a black bear with ease, When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope, Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears.